In this episode we talk with Heber, a dirty liberal atheist secretly attending BYU-I. During the course of our conversation, we also manage to remain blissfully unaware of a serious flaw in our recording setup. But just like sacrament talks in foreign languages, you don’t need to understand the words. You just need to feel the Spirit™.

Albert Carrington
Albert Carrington
Albert Carrington served as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles until he was excommunicated for adultery. During his disciplinary court, Elder Carrington tried to argue that he had only committed "a little folly in Israel!", but the current brethren couldn't be bothered to give him a break. Learn more about Elder Carrington here.
  • Swagavad Gita

    Listening to it now. Glad that it’s twice as long as the inaugural podcast.

  • Jaasiel Rodriguez

    I was a a free thinker at BYUI, but I was also in some ways very dogmatic. I went through hard things and never thought to question god, always trying to fit things into my particular framework. So in my eyes, your lack of faith would have needed correction. Ive changed now…. I’m sorry the school and the system itself isn’t too able to handle someone just trying to be a good and honest person with their experiences.

  • Zelphie_Stick

    When Heber talked about his good friend who was living as a closeted ex-mo with a TBM wife… yeah, that hit home. That’s my story in a nutshell. And I know I’m not alone. Thanks for the wonderful work you guys do. Keep it up.

  • Maddisen Tingey

    LOVED this episode. It’s infuriating how much control LDS universities have over their students. I’m a student at Weber State, and though my ability to express my beliefs is not being institutionally controlled, I can definitely relate to Heber’s experiences in people not talking to him anymore-i’ve lost every friend I had from high school because I chose to leave the church. Probably time to flee the Utah bubble once I get my undergrad haha

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