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Tanner Gilliland is a writer, artist, and jazz hands enthusiast based in Salt Lake City, UT. Check out his art on Instagram: @tanner_gilliland, his jokes on Twitter: @tgilliland789, and his poverty on Venmo: Tanner-Gilliland
  • Nate Brusik

    YES, there are answers or responses to every topic and claim on this website. To say no answers have been given is simply incorrect and wrong!

    I have studied and read since 1997 on all of the topics posted above. I find it very puzzling how one can claim a full study of the topics and yet we obviously have come to completely different viewpoints.

    I would suggest that this website and every other website similar to it posts the answers that have been given, and which exist to address these questions for all the patrons of this site to become familiar, and every other site that is dedicated in similar cause. Maybe provide a link to Fairmormon.org, The Interpreter, or the former FARMS, more recently the Maxwell Institute of Education etc. Maybe list books that you have read or that attempted to address and resolve these concerns but failed to answer the frightful list noted above. Books like “Shaken Faith Syndrom by Micheal R. Ash ” which clearly answers most of your list. Maybe you haven’t had time to read it? Maybe Cd’s like “A Reason For Faith”, “The Blueprint For Christ’s Church” and countless other books, CD’s, audio files, and videos all address your concerns and refute the claims you make and post. These few items I listed and numerous others give answers to your questions. It appears that little, maybe none of this information has been studied by the individuals here at this website.

    Certainly websites like this one and other critical websites would not want to be guilty of the very thing they accuse the Church of doing. Hiding information that is pertinent to the searching soul would be wrong. I would argue that the facts from both sides be left for the interpretation of the individual themselves rather than being led by a one-sided argument. I believe the Seeker of Truth is most likely competent to determine whether something is intentionally deceptive or not. Church leaders and Prophets are not perfect and have never claimed to be perfect or impervious to errors.

    I find it very interesting as it appears these critical websites have a different measuring stick by which they measure the current church and is leaders compared to those found in the scriptures of the Old and New Testament. I don’t find any argument against David who was certainly guilty of murdering and committing adultery and yet was still the Prophet and leader of the people of Israel. I don’t find any argument against Noah for being drunk and having imperfections on his record. I don’t find any argument against Abraham Isaac or Jacob for the practice of plural marriage along with Moses and Solomon who committed the same.
    Adultery, drunkenness, murder, and deceit was affiliated with these ancient leaders of God’s people of you accept the scripture record as authentic and of value. It’s blatantly clear that church leaders both present and old if they could speak to each individual would be quick to say that they are just human beings like the rest of us and are not immune to mistakes or personal opinions based on the environments and conditions they grow up in and find themselves in from time to time.

    Certainly if someone believes that Jesus Christ was perfect and was the literal son of the Living God then we have reason to believe the organization he setup was also perfect having 12 Apostles and 70 as noted in Matthew chapter 10 and Luke chapter 10 in the New Testament. It’s also very obvious when reading Daniel chapter 2 and Isaiah chapter 2 and numerous other verses throughout the scripture that some sort of restoration or reestablishment of God’s kingdom would take place in the latter days following the Renaissance etc. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints fits into this mold and question better than any organization on the Earth today in my opinion. I think serious consideration needs to be given to the fact that the only Christian organization with the same organization as the ancient Church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    I’m also very curious what the people who have written on this website proposed is the alternative to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I would hope that any or all ex members can and will provide a simple and clear argument of what direction they believe members and former members should go once they exit the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Please notify me what organization is the true organization if it’s not the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I’ve yet to find out what is the preferred and chosen alternative. John dehlin has offered nothing, Grant Palmer has offered nothing , Jeremy Runnells has offered nothing, etc. etc. etc..

    There’s been so much time spent explaining why the mistakes of early LDS leaders are proof that the church is false. Clearly this is a weak argument, especially if we’re using the same ruler to measure ancient Prophets compared to the modern Prophets and leaders etc.

    Again, I would hope that the contributors to zelph on the shelf, Mormon think, future missionary, and all the other numerous websites that have dedicated themselves to belittling and accusing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of preconceived fraud, deceit, and other evils and designs can tell me and the other seekers of truth what the preferred and correct organization is to join if it’s not the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. John Dehlin, Jeremy Runnells, Grant Palmer, and every other critic of the church fails to provide the one big answer to the question everyone wants to know. If the LDS church is not what it claims to be then what is the correct Church or organization to join?!

    to be honest all I see are websites that are all happy to ask for donations that are no different than the church yet they provide nothing in return except a platform or Forum to share similar frustrations and concerns and shared feelings with others in the same boat so to speak. Please enlighten me if you can, as you sound like you are well-studied. I also hope you don’t find my comments offensive I do not want to be offensive, although I disagree with the positions and most accusations on this site and ideas that are included in the posts on the site. I can understand the reasons for the beliefs and opinions of both sides and I make no effort or claim to know the reasons for each individuals decision to gravitate one way or the other. I do believe an open dialogue which lays out the concerns and questions along side with the resposes and explanations to reach of the questions would be most beneficial. Either way thanks for reading my post!
    Lastly I apologize for the spelling and punctuation errors as I’m writing/swiping from my phone.

    Thanks Nate https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2d7a7657a83636d6d66de82a8bd516ef669a180e50a98b11bec5c149e1d74090.jpg


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